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Delphi Mac Digest Saturday, 15 November 1986 Volume 2 : Issue -59 Today's Topics: RE: SCSI controllers (Re: Msg 993) RE: SCSI controllers (Re: Msg 1000) RE: SCSI controllers (Re: Msg 1000) RE: SCSI controllers (Re: Msg 1006) RE: SCSI controllers (Re: Msg 1007) RE: HD20SC Icon (Re: Msg 997) Network Hard Disks & Backups RE: Network Hard Disks & Backups (Re: Msg 14733) RE: Network Hard Disks & Backups (Re: Msg 14733) DiskTimerII results RE: DiskTimerII results (Re: Msg 14742) OMNI-READER fit to Mac+? RE: OMNI-READER fit to Mac+? (Re: Msg 14747) RE: OMNI-READER fit to Mac+? (Re: Msg 14749) RE: 1 Mbit RAM chips are here for the Ma (Re: Msg 14706) RE: 1 Mbit RAM chips are here for the Ma (Re: Msg 14748) Suspicious or innocent? MS Basic 3.0 RE: Mac-IBM PC Laser Printers RF emissions RE: laserwriter fonts, hints, and toys RE: laserwriter fonts, hints, and toys RE: laserwriter fonts, hints, and toys RE: laserwriter fonts, hints, and toys RE: laserwriter fonts, hints, and toys RE: RF Interference with Hard disks RE: Re: LightspeedC 1.5 RE: Booting SCSI & HD20 Hard disk PENMOUSE+ human touch "One Touch" board (alternati InfoWorld Again Font/DA Mover bug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRECHER (1000) Subject: RE: SCSI controllers (Re: Msg 993) Date: 11-NOV 03:57 Current Discussions The 3527 has a richer command set, compatible with CCS (Common Command Set), which is a standard set of commands (with a few extensions to the SCSI draft) for disk devices, proposed for formal standardization by a committee of disk industry people (led by SMS). I advised Micah against the 3527 because of -the technical risk inherent in its newness, but for an adventurer like -yourself... BTW, the CP340 uses CCS. ------------------------------ From: HSTARR (1006) Subject: RE: SCSI controllers (Re: Msg 1000) Date: 12-NOV 02:58 Current Discussions Steve, I hope your comments about the 3527 don't mean you actually uncovered some problem, did you?? I am a little cloudy about the way the CP340 handles bad blocks. I was talking to Conner the other day, and the guy mentioned that the next release of the firmware (about end of Nov) will actually allow you to dynamically replace bad blocks. I gather that this means that at the moment, the disk is certified during the format command (or pseudo format - the CP340 uses imbedded servo), and that if any blocks go bad during use, that's tough! My next step is to install the CP340 into the Prodigy. A little metal bashing is required though, and that always deters me. On a completely different vein, what do you know about the Quantum Q280 -drive?? Or the CDC Wren III??? Hardware is such fun, isn't it? Regards -- Harry ------------------------------ From: HSTARR (1007) Subject: RE: SCSI controllers (Re: Msg 1000) Date: 12-NOV 03:22 Current Discussions Steve, could you give me a source for DETAILED specs (Operation, register layouts etc) for the NCR 5380 SCSI chip as used in Mac?? Would I have to contact NCR itself? Thanks -- Harry ------------------------------ From: BRECHER (1008) Subject: RE: SCSI controllers (Re: Msg 1006) Date: 13-NOV 09:19 Current Discussions No, I didn't uncover any problems with the 3527 -- I never used it. I just meant that it's new firmware, some features not yet implemented, little field experience -- not the kind of thing I could recommend for a high-volume -product just now. What I know about the Q280 and Wren is contained in the following paragraph. (End of message.) ------------------------------ From: BRECHER (1009) Subject: RE: SCSI controllers (Re: Msg 1007) Date: 13-NOV 09:19 Current Discussions "NCR 5380 SCSI Interface Chip Design Manual." NCR -- (800) 525-2252. In the Mac Plus, the NCR base address is $580000. Bits 4,5,6 of the address select the NCR register; bit 0 set for a write register, clear for a read register. Bit 9 set to assert DACK, clear to assert CS. ------------------------------ From: MACLAIRD (1001) Subject: RE: HD20SC Icon (Re: Msg 997) Date: 11-NOV 06:31 Developers' Corner I seem to remember (don't have it right in front of me right now) that Tech Note #28 (I do have the index) entitled "Finders and Foreign Drives" gives an explanation of how an external File System sends its icon to the Finder. Inside Macintosh Volume IV (File Manager chapter) notes that "due to the complexity of writing an external file system under HFS", you can send off to Macintosh Technical Support for a document telling you how to do it. I don't have that piece, either; related information may be in there. Laird ------------------------------ From: BWD (14733) Subject: Network Hard Disks & Backups Date: 11-NOV 00:58 Business Mac As office networks for Lasers become more commonplace, more people will want to put hard disks on-line for sharing and backup purposes. My office is planning precisely that. I would like to generate some comment on this and other related issues. I expect that there are some -pretty strong opinions on the topic especially from those who have been there! Background: Our department has about 30 people on one Appletalk network with 3 Lasers. We would prefer not to break it down as we would like to use InBox for messaging to all 30 people. Does anybody have any comments on the following points, either individually or as a whole. 1) Disks - We want to have shared hard disks on which to store data -files and use programs (is it legal to use programs on a network?). The disks -(SCSI preferably) must be useable considering the points mentioned below. 2) Backup - Backup is extremely important but it must also be easy and -if at all possible, automatic (am I dreaming?). In order to give ease, I think -we have to consider floppies out. The backup scheme should allow selection by date, changes, file, folder, and whole disk. It should not use an -image-based scheme considering the recovery problems this can cause. Can an occassional user be used to do the backups given some basic instruction as to the purpose and improtance. 3) Using MacServe to copy disk partitions seems slow. Does anybody -have experience with a better server? How can you back up a server AND its partitions? Have others tried TOPS and some of the other Servers. 4) Currently there is no network degradation since the only traffic is Laser oriented. What is the price that has to be paid to get the above installed? 5) How to organize the backup generations in a cost effective manner. One idea I have had is to find a tape unit to plug into the disk drive port and could be used to backup a SCSI or an HD20 at fairly quick rates. The unit would be portable meaning it could be taken to different machines to avoid the network degradation problem. Has anybody seen my dream device? I hope others will benefit from this discussion. I definitely feel that the topic will become even more pressing in the next 6-8 months. Comments????? Brian ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (14745) Subject: RE: Network Hard Disks & Backups (Re: Msg 14733) Date: 11-NOV 09:33 Business Mac Brian, For the amount of backup you're talking about, I'd consider a Bernoulli Box. It's both faster and more reliable than tape. For hard disks that are going to be shared extensively, I'd consider getting one of the 30 or 40MB units which usually have higher speed than the 20's. We'll be looking at the DataFrame 40 XP shortly. I think Mirror has one, -too, and Micah is supposed to be coming out with something (Steve?) in a larger capacity. I'm sure there are others. As far as setting the network up, I'd recommend the following: you can put lots of programs and documents on a networked hard disk (I like TOPS for the network software), but don't _run_ them across the network - just copy down the program and data you need to the Mac you're using, and run from a RAM disk, external RAM disk, floppy or local hard disk. Sharing System/Finder and printer files is likely to cause a lot of problems, and so is sharing applications. I think AppleTalk with TOPS is a wonderful file-transfer medium, but not a good way of multiprocessing. By the way, one of the good things about the Bernoulli box is the excellent backup software written by Dantz Software (LARRYZ on Delphi). They are working on a more general purpose program that I'm really looking forward to. Hope this is helpful. Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: WESTEN (14796) Subject: RE: Network Hard Disks & Backups (Re: Msg 14733) Date: 13-NOV 03:20 Business Mac David (?), This is in reply to your large network questions. First, presumably you are not running 30 Macs plus 3 LaserWriters since I don't believe more than 32 devices can be on the network... For the rest of your questions I'll respond not in the order you asked. (1) Your choices for Backup are Tape Backup, floppy disk, a spare drive, or, as Rich mentioned, a Bornoulli Box. The only tape units I've evaluated are from the Mirror Drive guys, and basically it doesn't work. The software is lousy, and I never did get it to actually backup a drive. There are no good (in my opinion!) tape units available right now. They al, to my knowledge, either give you a quick "image" backup of your device but then require an image restore (what if you backed up 40 Megs, then trashed 1 file a week later...want to restore the whole drive and loose 1 weeks worth of data?), or else do allow a file by file restore, but also do a file by file backup (requiring lots of time to do the backups). Regarding the Bernoulli Box, a local store reports to me that they have had a lot of trouble with their customers copying the old backup to the disk they are trying to backup, or destroying both copies in the process (sorry I don't use one so I don't know how this can be done by the normally intelligent user!). The problem is severe enough that they have taken to keeping copies of the customer data once a month....(really!). Also, the BBox is extremely loud and the media wears out in about a year of use I'm told- so you should be sure to keep your backups up to date. DataFrame, HyperDrive, MaBottom, and (I believe) Micah all come with backup software, and both HyperDrive and DataFrame are working on tape backup units for future release. The backup software for the DataFrame is less than perfectly reliable at this stage I would say, but I also encountered a few bugs with my FX/20 backups at one time. MacBottom backup software seems not to cause any problems. (2) Regarding MacServe and TOPS. First price. TOPS sells locally for about $110 per Macintosh (list is $ 19) and MacServe ranges from 2$205 to $250. I would not recommend you buy MacServe without support (ie, don't go Mailorder even if you can find it that way). There is not a chance though that you can run ~30 users on AppleTalk without severe problems. My experience is with about 25-30 copies (users) of MacServe and ~40 copies of TOPS. TOPS is definitely slower than MacServe (MacWorld's comparison notwithstanding) and is less solid- more prone to crashes and lockups. On the other hand, MacServe when it does hang seems to do so mainly when printing and seems to frustrate users more. Which you choose depends on exactly what you are trying to do, how many hard drives you are using, etc. (send me mail if you'ld like to get more indepth thoughts). Basically, if you expect "heavy" net traffic, don't expect to have more than 5 people working before the slow downs get intollerable. Rich's suggestion of copying files only is clearly the only way you could hope to work it. Some other thoughts: I wouldn't rely on a hard drive for people to backup their software to, since you would have to much valuable information from too many users stuck there... what if your drive dies... The best backup is each user backing up his or her own work on personal floppies. You are asking for headaches any other way. Chuck ------------------------------ From: BRECHER (14735) Subject: DiskTimerII results Date: 11-NOV 02:12 Hardware & Peripherals These are reported results from the DiskTimerII program as of Nov. 10, 1986. DiskTimerII measures performance on large (24KB) data transfers and on access time (seeking, head movement). The results are independent of the file -system, amount of free space, System and Finder versions, etc. There is no direct translation of these results to perceived performance in ordinary Mac usage. On HyperDrives, the seek test provides meaningful results only when run -from a drawer which is contiguous for more than 1MB. Multiple results from the same drive by the same submittor which vary by not more than 5% have been combined into one report by taking the best result for each of the three tests. Where three or more reports from different -submittors on the same drive were available, I have omitted those having results on all three tests which fell between the best and worst shown below for that drive. Additional reports are welcome. --- time in deciseconds --- 100 24KB 100 24KB 80 1MB Model, Vendor [Note] Reads Writes Seeks Reported by --------------------- -------- -------- ------ ------------ AST-2000, AST Research 192 192 48 Fred Fischer AST-2000, AST Research 192 192 48 David Rose DataFrame 20, SuperMac [1] 147 147 74 Harry Conover DataFrame 20, SuperMac [1] 146 146 69 Dan -Clark/SuperMac DataFrame 20, SuperMac [1] 194 194 80 Carlos Weber DataFrame 20, SuperMac [2] 98 99 69 Dan -Clark/SuperMac DataFrame 20, SuperMac [2] 99 99 62 Harry Conover DataFrame 20, SuperMac [2] 99 99 80 Harry Conover DataFrame 20, SuperMac [2] 99 98 59 SuperMac DataFrame XP20, SuperMac 52 55 38 SuperMac DataFrame XP40, SuperMac 52 51 18 Dan -Clark/SuperMac DataFrame XP40, SuperMac [3] 52 70 18 Ira Rampil DynaMac portable Mac 40MB internal 165 163 33 Steve Bobker Easy Drive 20MB, DC Systems 192 206 37 Tom Hensley Hard Disk 20 (floppy port), Apple 872 996 61 Steve Bobker Hard Disk 20 (floppy port), Apple 848 969 60 Jean Hess HardMAC+20, CMC 285 286 36 Joseph DiGangi HD20SC (SCSI), Apple 155 155 37 Brian Hall HD20SC (SCSI), Apple 157 157 39 P. -Williams/Apple HyperDrive 10MB (Mac Plus), GCC 186 190 N/A Rich Goldberg HyperDrive FX20 (SCSI), GCC 154 231 37 Brian Hall HyperDrive FX20 (SCSI), GCC 154 218 38 Philip Kinsler HyperDrive FX20 (SCSI), GCC 153 224 37 Michael Root LoDOWN 20, LoDOWN 102 107 39 Bill Steinberg MacBottom 10 (serial port), PCPC 503 846 91 Rod Paine MacBottom 10 (serial port), PCPC 507 855 97 T. Scotta MacBottom HD21 (SCSI), PCPC 164 162 49 Rod Paine MacBottom HD21 (SCSI), PCPC 162 164 50 Bill Steinberg MacDrive 10MB, Tecmar 717 795 59 Chip Nicolais MacDrive 5MB removeable, Tecmar 750 784 104 Gene Madill MacMate 20, Relax 192 197 37 M. Azarnoff MacSlimLine 20 fixed, Univation 172 211 38 Robert Yellen " 10 removeable " 305 363 107 " " Magic 20, Rabbit Industries 199 464 37 Larry Halff MicahDrive 20 AT, MICAH [1] 54 58 70 Fred Fischer MicahDrive 20 AT, MICAH [1] 55 63 68 Fred Fischer MicahDrive 20 AT, MICAH [1] 56 82 73 Fred Fischer MicahDrive 20 AT, MICAH [1] 57 72 74 Ted May MicahDrive 20 AT, MICAH [1] 55 78 79 David Rose MicahDrive 20 AT, MICAH [2,4] 55 58 30 Steve Brecher MicahDrive 20 AT, MICAH [2,4] 55 68 30 Steve Brecher Plus-30, Peak Systems 139 438 38 Joel West Warp 20 (in 512E), Warp Nine 443 443 42 Fred Fischer Notes: [1] Old version [2] Current version [3] Mean of three trials [4] Tester has a business connection with manufacturer ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (14746) Subject: RE: DiskTimerII results (Re: Msg 14742) Date: 11-NOV 09:36 Hardware & Peripherals Steve, can we conclude that the big win is 1:1 interleaving, shared by your Micah and the DataFrame XP? Or is there some other magic that makes the difference?? Ric ------------------------------ From: UJL0013 (14747) Subject: OMNI-READER fit to Mac+? Date: 11-NOV 10:52 Hardware & Peripherals I found OMNI-READER adv. in MacWorld October issue. Is this optical reader workin on MacPlus well and connectable with MacPlus miniDin connector? I want a optical reader for my mac, but i don't have any info of this. i'm wondering to buy .... Thanks for yource. - - Masaaki - -- - ------------------------------ From: PEABO (14749) Subject: RE: OMNI-READER fit to Mac+? (Re: Msg 14747) Date: 11-NOV 17:05 Hardware & Peripherals The Omni Reader works with RS-232 connections and software for either the Mac or the IBM PC. You should be aware however, that it is necessary to guide the optical reader head by hand, so this would not be suitable for a high-volume application, and may not be cost competitive with having your data input by a service bureau, either though an optical reader or by rekeying the input. peter ------------------------------ From: MOUSEKETEER (14754) Subject: RE: OMNI-READER fit to Mac+? (Re: Msg 14749) Date: 11-NOV 19:46 Hardware & Peripherals Also, you should note that the Omni Reader is only designed to read four (if memory, rusty as it is, serves) typefaces, all of which I think are along the lines of Courier on an IBM Selectric. If your page is not in one of the four typefaces, it won't read it. In playing with one locally (hooked to an IBM), it would read around 97% of a page accurately, if in one of the few typefaces. Of course, then you have to go through and find the 3% it misses, which is often harder than just typing the page in. In other words, there are several excellent reasons it is going so cheaply. Alf P.S. Me, I'm waiting for the first C.O.M.B. ad for Cruzins (hehe). ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (14748) Subject: RE: 1 Mbit RAM chips are here for the Ma (Re: Msg 14706) Date: 11-NOV 13:48 Hardware & Peripherals Talked today with a more technical guy at Dove. The 1Mbit upgrades are -called "2H" and "4H" - the "H" stands for "HyperDrive compatible." It turns out -that the 2H kit contains 2 SIMM boards of 8x1Mbit, and that you have a choice of running these with or without 2 of your original Mac 8x256Kbit boards. If -you keep the Apple ones, you get a total of 2.5MB of RAM. The guy didn't seem to be totally up on power supply issues, but he claimed that their upgrades always use less power (and create less heat) than the Mac Plus original configuration (excepting their budget upgrade which uses 256Kbit chips). The warranty is for 90 days. The chips are from Toshiba mostly, and from AT&T. The guy claimed they were the 3rd largest purchaser of 1Mbit chips in the world, using them only for the Mac!!! List prices were quoted as: cheapo 2MB upgrade with 256Kbit chips: $399 2H upgrade with 1Mbit chips: $999 4H upgrade (1 Mbit chips, 4MB total): $1999 Finally, the Apple warranty is invalidated unless the upgrade is installed by an Apple tech. Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: NANOCHIP (14781) Subject: RE: 1 Mbit RAM chips are here for the Ma (Re: Msg 14748) Date: 12-NOV 22:31 Hardware & Peripherals Ric> Your msgs jogged my memeory so I did some digging. At the Boston MacExpo I had seriously looked into the Dove Memory upgrade...but funds were low... I had visited the Vision Technologies booth ( a mail order house) and got good prices on the Dove Memory upgrade(s). dug up the address and called them again yesterday. Their rep, David, was curteous and knowledgeable and answered all my questions. They have a rebate policy on the 1Mbit chip upgrades...$50 rebate if you return the 2ea 256K SIMMS the 2H upgrade, and $100 rebate if you return the 4ea 256K SIMMS with the 4H upgrade! BTW, the Dove 1Mbit @H or $H upgrades are MicahDrive AT compatable (forgot to ask about the cheapo 2MB). Current prices for Dove Memory Upgrades: cheapo 2MB upgrade with 256Kbit chips: $275 ($399 list) 2H upgrade with 1Mbit chips: $795 net; $695 net with SIMMS rebate ($999 list) 4H upgrade (1 Mbit chips, 4MB total): $1399 net; $1299 net wtih SIMMS rebate ($1999 list) Vision Technologies Inc. 2200 Guadalupe St. Austin TX. 78505 1-800-MAC-DISK Havent had the opportunity to exchange any cash with them yet, so I can't compare them to MacConnection etc. Had any dealings with them? They seem to be on the ball. <Chip ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (14763) Subject: Suspicious or innocent? Date: 11-NOV 23:10 Mousing Around Anyone notice that Jasmine is at the same address MacWorld used to be? ------------------------------ From: HSTARR (14791) Subject: MS Basic 3.0 Date: 13-NOV 02:30 Programming Does any one know if MS Basic v3.0, and the accompanning MS Basic Compiler are available yet?? or when they will be available?? Anyone been beta testing or had words with someone who has?? ------------------------------ From: PEABO (14792) Subject: RE: Mac-IBM PC Laser Printers Date: 13-NOV 03:02 Network Digests >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 86 14:49 EDT >From: JPB%SMVL%rca.com@RELAY.CS.NET >Subject: Mac-IBM PC Laser Printers According to an ad on page 41 of the Nov-Dec issue of Publish! a company -called The Laser Connection, P.O. Box 850296, Mobile, AL 36685. 1-800-441-4040) -claims to be able to retrofit H-P LaserJet printers with a PostScript raster image processor. (For about $3000). It doesn't say in the ad whether they know what they're doing. :-) If it is a new purchase, I can't see why you would not purchase an Apple LaserWriter, which by the way can be used by IBM PCs running MicroSoft WORD. ------------------------------ From: WESTEN (14798) Subject: RF emissions Date: 13-NOV 03:52 Hardware & Peripherals Someone on Info-Mac was complaining about noise emissions from hard drives. I've had (until recently) a Mac+ and a DataFrame next to a "homebuilt" Electron Energy Loss spectrometer that was sensitive to ~1mV noise and never had any pickup problems- and the electronics are extremely sensitive! ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (14799) Subject: RE: laserwriter fonts, hints, and toys Date: 13-NOV 05:31 Network Digests > From: chuq@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) > Subject: laserwriter fonts, hints, and toys AppleTalk plugs into the printer port. Bitmapped art reproduces very well, especially when reduced to 50% or 25% (note: the LaserWriter driver handles the 96% reduction automagically; if you use PageMaker, you've got to do it yourself, and should reduce to 48% or 24%). SuperPaint doesn't handle PostScript; it can do the reduction for you on a bitmap-by-bitmap basis. SuperPaint also has a LaserBits mode (or, if you will, kludge) that does the 300dpi stuff for you. If you want to paint to the LaserWriter, SuperPaint is a great program. If you want to do engineering drawings, it's the wrong program. I believe PictureBase does handle MacDraw graphics. I know for a fact that Acta handles any graphics you can put in the clipboard, including draw-type graphics from SuperPaint, MacDraw, and MacEqn. Check out Fontographer for doing your own PostScript characters or logos. If you're getting envelopes to go with your stationery, don't get real thin ones, they seem not to work as well (also the ones I have tend to get melted shut by the fusing element). ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (14807) Subject: RE: laserwriter fonts, hints, and toys Date: 13-NOV 09:35 Network Digests While David's on the subject, I'll note that I've also had trouble with the LaserWriter sealing envelopes I run thru it, and that nice textured paper is the wrong stuff for a letterhead to be used in the LaserWriter. You need smooth paper. Ric ------------------------------ From: PDNNOG (14825) Subject: RE: laserwriter fonts, hints, and toys Date: 13-NOV 22:02 Network Digests Have you had any problems with the heat sealing element, like too hot or cold? Again, my problem(minor) with a new laserwiter seems to come when several pages are printed in a row, and I have isolated the waviness in the paper to come from the last set of rollers which is the sealing thingie. ------------------------------ From: HSTARR (14833) Subject: RE: laserwriter fonts, hints, and toys Date: 14-NOV 02:26 Network Digests My experience, in Australia, with the LW was that you had to be careful of the 'clay' content of the paper you were using. One of my favourite papers is 'IkonoFix Matte', a heavy clay based paper with a beautiful matte finish, but the LW fusing elements will wave this paper. However, it usually reverted in about 3 hours. In Australia, the paper distributors sell a product called 'Reflex' copying paper -- it is computer controlled moisture content, long grain cut, and works flawlessly in the LW (no distortion, no jams) so maybe you could track down a similar paper here! -- Harry ------------------------------ From: PDNNOG (14838) Subject: RE: laserwriter fonts, hints, and toys Date: 14-NOV 19:40 Network Digests Thank you for your response. I have noticed that the paper I use now is produced in West Germany and sold here in the states by inmac, and is simply called laser paper..it is smoother and heavier than normal 20lb weight. It will be interesting to see if we can locate anything similar to your Reflex copying paper! Phil. ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (14800) Subject: RE: RF Interference with Hard disks Date: 13-NOV 05:31 Network Digests > From: PAUL%Acadia.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Paul Steele - Acadia > Subject: RF Interference with Hard disks I'm listening to the radio right now while using my LoDOWN 20. No RFI, tho I think the drive motor's a bit loud. ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (14801) Subject: RE: Re: LightspeedC 1.5 Date: 13-NOV 05:31 Network Digests > From: baron@runx.OZ (Jason Haines) > Subject: Re: LightspeedC 1.5 I dunno about a library, but there's a ListMgr.h file. ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (14814) Subject: RE: Booting SCSI & HD20 Hard disk Date: 13-NOV 17:07 Network Digests To: <CLAK100%BGUNOS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU> Subject: Booting SCSI & HD20 Hard disk If you remove the Finder from the HD20, the SCSI hard disk should start up and be the default disk. (Thanks to tips from Delphi members for this one) Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: ELEN (14836) Subject: PENMOUSE+ Date: 14-NOV 16:32 Hardware & Peripherals Has anyone had any experience with Kurta Corp's Penmouse+ graphics tablet on a Mac or MacPlus? The price is good (even here in the UK) and I'm interested - particularly appealing is the cordless stylus. I understand it interfaces, however, with one of the serial ports, rather than into the mouse socket, and is powered off the interface. Will this provide probs with a Plus? It apparently is powered off the TX line in the serial I/F. Any comments would be useful... thanks -Richard ------------------------------ From: SNUFI (14845) Subject: human touch "One Touch" board (alternati Date: 14-NOV 21:52 Hardware & Peripherals Hi, I'm very interested in human touch's One Touch board, which I saw at August's MacWorld Expo. Added to my 512e Mac, it'd give a total of 2 -Megabytes of RAM, speed up the processor to 12 MHz, include a line filter and fan, and carry the processor bus out to a connector out the back. By now, I think -they must have a SCSI adapter for it. My questions are: Does anyone have this upgrade? How do you like it? How -good a job did they do of making it work with existing software? I liked the migration path to 68881 especially - they have a socket, so you can add the device any time later on. WIth Levco, you have to buy the MonsterMac to get the 68881, n'est-ce pas? (Sorry, I mean the Prodigy 4, the $7000 one.) So, basically, the Q is this: anyone use it, read review, compare it with -other upgrades? Thanks! Doug ------------------------------ From: LOFTUSBECKER (14846) Subject: InfoWorld Again Date: 14-NOV 22:18 Mousing Around Fascinating quote in a recent InfoWorld article on spreadsheets. According -to one defender of Lotus 1-2-3, "It's not really all that hard. Why, we can -take people who don't know anything about computers, and in eight weeks they'll be writing macros." The sad thing is that he seems to have been quite serious. Lofty ------------------------------ From: JEFFS (1011) Subject: Font/DA Mover bug Date: 14-NOV 23:55 Programming Techniques There is a bug in the current Font/DA Mover (3.2) where ICON items in DITL's are not renumbered. If you have a dialog or alert that includes ICON's, you'll have to SetDItem it yourself. Jeff P.S. Other... 3.0 renumbers it just fine. Good job Lofty! ------------------------------ End of Delphi Mac Digest ************************